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[Esoteric]

Nah, projection won't be an issue. I have done it with 10' ceilings before.

Mike

[Esoteric]

Okay some general thoughts based on just looking at pictures without drawings or measurements.

1. The windows have to go. But since you are drywalling that shouldn’t be problem.
2. Paint the ceiling and everything in it black.
3. Do all of your infrastructure installation now while the walls are not in. You can add bells and whistles later.
4. I would build out the front in a half hexagon, and use the sides of the hexagon for projection. Your projection won’t be very tall, so there will be sightline issues but that is unavoidable. Even if you hung it at the max possible height in the middle you would still have those issues so why not maximize your design space?
5. As far as infrastructure I would start with at least 4 (preferably 5) 4” PVC pipes that run from under the booth to under the stage and then to the top of the back wall. I would put in a trap to both the booth and the stage. Install sound floor pockets with ample power distribution (usually one pocket per instrument with 1 20A circuit in it except for drums which get a larger box). Add DMX distribution at two points on the stage and two points in the grid above the stage as well as one more in wherever the FOH position will be. Add dedicated video CAT5 runs in the appropriate places. As well as lighting circuits, be sure to add 4-6 20A courtesy circuits in the ceiling over the stage.
6. You could easily add a 9x24 projection screen as the main effect.
7. Run everything (electrical, data, etc) in conduit, PVC or EMT.

That Is really all I can do without more specifics.

Mike

[SamG269]

I like the sound of a distributed system. May be more money but the benefits I think may be worth it. I believe the peak is 18'. Sides are 9'. But of course the floor is not in yet. I wonder if slanting the floor sarting higher at the back and lower at the stage might help..?

I like the windows and see your point of taking them out. I was thinking of curtains or blinds so we can have it dark when we want. Cieling black is a good idea. Got to run that by my parents. Not sure if they'll do that for the stage though.

i do think one screen would be all we can fit as well. We were thinking of a screen and small t.v.s as well.

[Esoteric]

The room looks long, but not long enough for staggered displays.

Keep in mind if you do blinds or curtains you are looking at commercial level stuff. Residential stuff wont do it (and won't look very good). You could do some nice shutters but any of that would oppose the modern look.

No way to know what you could fit without the measurements.

But keep in mind not only will a center screen be obstructed by congregants (like side ones), but by those on stage as well.

You have a chance to mold the space the way you want, I advise you to take advantage of it.

Mike

[SamG269]

I thought Walmart was the best for blinds? jk. I would like blinds. reason being would be during the sermon we could let the real light in. I know that might mess with video etc. But thats just an idea of course. Also I'm not sure they would want to take out the windows they purposely put in. I'll def run that by them as well.

How can I uplaod a image of the google sketchup plans I have made? Anybody know?

What about lights? And I like that new thing you are doing with the 4' throw screens. I think It may work out well with our setup.

[Esoteric]

Lights can't really be spec'd out without drawings and an idea of what the staging area would end up looking like.

Yeah, using the natural light during the service (depending on the facing of said windows) either be a minor annoyance or could totally destroy any video. The only time I would use them would be for events (like meetings, weddings, etc).

Also keep in mind more ambient light = more power needed for projectors.

If you keep the windows, then I would get some commercial blinds or shutters ($$$$$).

Mike

[SamG269]

Here are the models I made.

[Brad Weber]

Nice models! A bit off topic and not a code or legal requirement unless you rent the space out to other groups, but it looks like the stage and 'backstage' areas are not handicap accessible so that may be something you want to consider. And not just in terms of how someone could get on stage, but also from the perspective of how do they get to an accessible exit in case of an emergency. An ADA compliant access ramp can also often be useful for getting equipment or people who may have difficulty with steps on and off the stage.

You can get motorized blackout shades for the windows, a bit pricey but it would let you group them together and avoid having to manually operate multiple sets of blinds or drapes.

From experience, the partially open wall behind the stage creates an interesting visual effect but it can also acoustically create a resonant cavity or coupled space for the main space and also limits any sound isolation between the two spaces. If you really want that look then you might want to consider heavily treating the areas behind that partial wall that would be open to the worship space with absorptive wall panels, carpet on he floor, etc.

[SamG269]

Thanks Brad.

Hahaha. The cut out in the wall is just for a view into the backroom for the picture. Its not going to really be like that. It will be completely closed Brad. No worries. Haha.

I was told after I made the models months ago that we needed a ramp to the stage as well. Now.. You said only IF we rent out the space. So... We don't HAVE to have the ramp? The way I was told the city is making us have that in our plans.

I think if they decide to keep the windows that would be the best option as well. I like the idea of flipping a switch and having all the windows at the same time black out. Can use it as an effect if the lighting is right I imagine.

[Brad Weber]

Originally Posted by SamG269

I was told after I made the models months ago that we needed a ramp to the stage as well. Now.. You said only IF we rent out the space. So... We don't HAVE to have the ramp? The way I was told the city is making us have that in our plans.

In terms of facilities, churches are exempt from ADA except for any areas used for other purposes, such as being rented or leased to outside groups. The common example is that a church run daycare center does not have to be ADA compliant but if a third party operates a daycare center there and the church profits financially from that then the portion of the facilities used for that would likely have to be ADA compliant. Similar if you rent a space out to groups for events other than religious services.

However, you bring up a very good point and I was a bit off in my comments. A church facility is normally exempt from having to comply with ADA accessibility guidelines, however that does not mean that there may not be local codes that require full or partial ADA compliance. And in the end it is always going to be the interpretation of the Authority Having Jurisdiction that really matters, of if the applicable codes or the City or County representatives say that you have to have ramps or be ADA compliant then that takes precedence.

[Esoteric]

The 3rd one is my favorite use of the space.

Mike

[SamG269]

I have had my wife, my father, my mother, and my wifes friend say the same thing! I don't know why!! I mean.. I like it too. I made it. But I thinks theres more that can be done...

Thanks Mike