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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 04:48 PM
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How do we make a burning bush? Really.

The title of this thread really says it all. We would like to create a bush that appears to be burning as a prop for Sunday morning. We're throwing around thoughts of the fireplaces that look like they're burning, or perhaps utilizing the concept of those lamps that were popular last year (they looked like a torch...?) Any suggestions? Has anybody tried this before?
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 04:56 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

One of the coolest simulations of flames I've see was with plastic, a fan and some creative lighting. If you put the bush in front of a sheet of thin white or clear plastic (close enough for effect), and lit it red and orange from underneath, and then put a fan under the plastic to make it "flutter," you might get there.

Or it might just look like a garbage bag and lights...

Just a suggestion to get you thinking, though...
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 04:58 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

Actually, I had given this a lot of thought a few years ago and dropped the project.

I was planning on using a gas fireplace unit for the flames. I was going to video against a green screen. Then I was going to overlay that fire onto a bush so it would burn without "being consumed".

I looked for the still version I did in Photoshop, but could not find it. But having seen some of your work, I am sure you do not need a visual

But you want to do yours live. Make sure you have permission from the fire department for pyrotechnics! Then see if you can make a bush out of sheet metal and use the same fireplace burner.

Just an idea...
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

You could always shoot some fire (or use the Artbeats stuff), loop it and put a tv showing the fire in a bunch of plastic shrubbery. That might work.

Paul
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:38 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

No fair mentioning shrubbery and then banning Monty Python references. That should be in the by-laws or something. Ecky ecky ecky pikang zoom boing.
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 08:30 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

Tone, all I have to say to that is "Nih!"
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 08:57 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

Sorry... I could not resist...

The Nazgul of Nee or The Fellowship of the Python
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Old Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 09:21 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

I just created a charcoal fire for the encounter between Jesus and Peter on the beach of the Sea of Galilee recorded in John 21:1-19. I used real charcoal and spray painted it with a gray fleck stone paint. I edged some of the briquets with red paint. The stacked it all on a grill with red gauze strips tied to the bars of the grill. I placed a small fan underneath to give it some motion. It was so effective, half a dozen people put their hands close to it to see if it was hot.

Maybe you could use some red, orange and yellow gauze, tie it to the branches of a bush or small tree. You might use a silk bush or tree. Then place it on a small fan to give it motion.

Billy
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Old Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 08:55 AM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

Just go grab a tree from the bush, throw it on stage, light er up, and tell the intercessors that they are going to be busy that night.
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Old Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 12:29 PM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

I have two of the Bob units and they are great from 20+ feet.
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Old Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 06:54 AM
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Re: How do we make a burning bush? Really.

What is your budget & how soon do you need to make this?

As mentioned you could look at getting a CHAUVET BOB SIMULATED FIRE EFFECT the run around $70.00
Not sure how I personally would incorporate this with the Burning Bush... Maybe by constructing the bush around it?

You could also look at purchasing an American DJ H2O you should be able to find one for around $200.00 (now that the H2O II came out)
The H2O would probably work great by simply getting a white bush and directing the lights beam at it & choose the color you prefer.

OK, if you would rather not invest that much money or are not satisfied with the above two products you could make your own hybrid fixture.
I personally would make the following & I have both of the above.

You could get some red, yellow & blue stained glass (the real ripely kind not smooth). Or you could get Clear ripely stained glass & use colored gels (preferred for easy color changes). Get some motors from R-Shack and drill holes through the stained glass and mount the glass on the motors so they will rotate. Place lights under the stained glass & make sure to over lap the different stained glass fixtures (that will create the rippling affect of the flames). Use fans to add motion to the bush. Create a flaming sound effect that will be played in the background when the bush is lite up. The sound effect should not be the classic crackling of a fire (this would imply that it was being consumed) it should be more of a wispy flaming sound (does that make sense?)
Basically this is a combination of the Bob & H2O fixtures.

Let me know if this doesn't make sense or if you are interested in more detail.
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Old Wednesday, December 28th, 2005, 01:36 PM
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Make a metal bush. Isn't that what disney would do?
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Place a bush behind a scrim and project a fire video over it? or try projecting the fire onto smoke (machine). A long shot but I would try it.
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