Help with set up please

[wjferguson]

Originally Posted by imperialspatula

If your CD isn't split track, I wouldn't try to take out the vocals.

What those programs do (as far as I know) is remove frequencies that are common with the human voice.

It would be like taking out certain keys on a piano. The piano needs those keys (when played) to sound full.

Another way you could record audio to your camera is to assign your signal to an "aux" output, In your aux section of the mixer, you'd turn up what you'd like to go to your camera on the individual channels.

I'd go this route for a few reasons. Mostly though, it woudl allow you to get a more specific mix. If you were to run a "line (or tape) out" from your console, you have no control over you mix as this is just a copy of is being sent to your speakers. Using your aux section is like having a seperate smaller mixer which'll give you greater control over what you want and don't want to be sent to your camera.

Most vocal eliminators are a bit more sophisticated than merely wiping out a band of frequencies. They analyze the audio input relying on the convention that the lead vocal is typically centered in the audio pan space. Thus, they are looking for waveforms in the appropriate frequency range which are equal in amplitude and in phase with each other.

That said, depending on the vocal eliminator and the music source, and the EPA, "Your mileage may vary."

This can also create some extremely interesting effects when the lead vocal is dead center, as you would expect, but there is stereo reverb applied. The eliminator wipes out the lead vocal, but usually leaves behind traces of the reverb to create an odd echoy sound that oscillates back and forth from L-R.

In general, they can be useful for practice and learning situations, but usually the results aren't good enough for a quality performance.

Also, I'm not quite clear on the copyright issues involved in Karaokeizing a commercial recording. Get an expert opinion. We must do our best to be above reproach.

Grace Happens!
Bill Ferguson

I agree with Spat that you should use an aux output for your video (and your tape Joseph). You need to be able to control each channel's output to that specific device because it won't be the same as what's being sent to the speakers.

For example, we sometimes have an electric guitarist who's amp is mic'd. Most of the sound in the room for his instrument comes from his amp and so not much comes through the main speakers. However, on a recording, he's almost non-existant due to the small amount of him coming through the system - That is unless we turn up his auxilary output. Hopefully that makes sense.

Also, I would recommend running mono speakers. There is usually very little reason to have stereo sound in a big room. If you do then people on the left side of the room primarily hear the left channel of audio and vice versa with the right (rarely the best sound)

Regardless of whether you choose to run stereo or mono, run your keyboard as a mono instrument. (Only use one of its outputs) This way, you use a standard channel and free up a stereo channel for your DVD audio. Again, stereo sound doesn't work well with a big room and if you run a stereo keyboard over stereo speakers the left side of the room will get the low end of the keys and the right will get the high end. So run your keys as mono.

Also, if your board is more than about 20 feet from the keyboard send the 1/4" cord into a direct box and use an XLR (a fancy name for a mic cable) to run to the board. You will pick up a ton of noise with a long 1/4" cable as it is unbalanced.

Hope that helps,

Jeremy

One more note.....And this would only apply if Sue is running her speakers in mono.

If sue is using split track and desires to take out the vocals, and continues to run CD via the stereo input, all she'd need to do is adjust the pan. (either completely left or right). This would give her an open channel on her mixer.

[[Director] Joseph B]

well as far as my problem, I'll be doing tech support for the district women's retreat this weekend (Friday and Saturday, me and 300 women -- I think the band has a male drummer so I may have a bit of support there). I'm going to try and use eztracker to tape the speakers, but I'll be playing with my setup during friday afternoon practice. If worst comes to worst I'll just tape it on the old cassette player and then dupe it to a cd later.

[grifficb]

Sue and Joseph,

Here is a quickie diagram of the VERY basic setup we use...

http://www.churchmedia.net/MXC/showp...cat=all&page=1

I take a TRS cable from one of the Behringer's auxillary outputs (pre-fade works best, but post-fade will do) and go to a compressor. From there, I have a "Y" cable (again, TRS) with one leg going to the CD recorder and one going thru a TRS-XLR adapter and then to the audio adapter attached to the camera. We only do mono audio/video recordings right now. Might try doing stereo when we upgrade the system next year.

Logistically, I have a bit of a crowd in the booth. There is one person doing FOH audio and one doing audio recording - both sharing a piano bench behind the same 24-channel console in a roll-top desk! And the camera operator is standing right next to them - all on a platform about 12 feet wide. Obviously we are all friends and we all shower regularly !

The person doing audio recording also controls the mix going to the camera (see the diagram). The camera op (wearing headphones and watching the level meters) can control the overall level of the audio going on tape. I also have a Terk brand RF modulator attached to the output of the camera to send audio/video to our fellowship hall for overflow, crying babies, etc.

blessings,

[Travis]

Sue,
This may not be the case but from your original post you seem to be concerned with vocals on a split track still coming through your stage monitors. If this is so you can either turn the aux knobs down on the vocal side channel to the respective aux send or just use a post fade aux send. That way when you bring the vocal side down it will come down in the monitors also.

[jorad]

If you are running mono sound to your camera, you might as well run stereo sound (if your camera has the inputs). From your diagram, you've still got your main bal/unbal outs available. Another option would be to use your sub outs if they are available. Assign all of the channels you want to be recorded to say subs 7+8 but don't assign 7+8 to the mix. With this option, you can mix a little ambient with a condensor mic if you so desire (this will give a little 'body' to your musical portions of the service.)

[grifficb]

I didn't put it on the diagram, but the main outputs go the the house amp/speakers (in mono mode). We use the auxes for stage monitors, MOM monitor, CD recording, and audio cassette/video tape recording. We have a piano, a B3, a bass guitar, and an acoustic drum kit, but we only have vocals and the Pastor amplified in the house because of a highly reverberant 1970's style Baptist church building. I have someone coming to look at the acoustics in a couple of weeks, and we have some equipment upgrades planned for next year - so stereo recording may be a possiblilty then. That would be cool...

blessings,