Displaying CCLI info

[moosicman]

So if there were one thing I would change (as I saw from another thread) it would be to get rid of the requirement to show CCLI info. But I was wondering if there were any particular guidelines as to how they were displayed (size font mainly). I mean, these days you see movie credits roll up the screen at about 100 mph because that is required and they do it to get it done. But without trying to slight the rules, what do you folks do so that it isn't distracting? I don't want to make it so small that you can't see it if they are looking for it. thoughts?

[andrewc2]

My general rule is bottom of the first or last slide, and big enough to be seen from the back of the church. I don't go much further than that because they too annoy me.

I have seen some churches throw up the CCLI up after the worship service is over, some run the CCLI in their pre/post service announcement loops, or print the info in their bulletin. All are acceptable as far as I know.

[moosicman]

Does anyone know for sure if that is legal (run them as credits after the service)?

[Arlin]

This was discussed here before in this thread:
Info Need on Song Slide to be Legal

It seems to be a gray area, but consensus seems to indicate that the CCLI info should be included with every song... at minimum at the end of the song.

[[Admin] osborn4]

Even if one of these alternates is legal, what if the worship leader throws one in on the fly?

We show a title slide with the CCLI info as the band intros or transitions into a song and then don't show it on the lyric slides.

[Johnnycat]

We have the info on the very bottom of each slide for a song, no one notices it because it is part of the design of the slides.

[andrewc2]

Right now we have an obnoxious title screen that for some reason looks different for every song, when we move to ProPresenter from PowerPoint we'll be going to a bottom of the last slide method, ProPresenter can insert this information automatically based on template and settings.

Also our P&W team sticks to a strict song list everything down to the order of song progression is practiced before hand and they stick to it for the actual service.

Now our youth team, you can throw all organization out the window...

[moosicman]

I've considered going with the message window option in ProPres. so we avoid it being on a lyric slide and it popping up every time we repeat that lyric. We don't always have time for a title slide, at least after getting started because we so frequently flow direclty from one song to another with little hiccup or shift in gears. But, I'm still thinking and the message window may be as distracting as anything else...

[Gracetech]

We always put the info on the last slide of the song because alot of people usually ask "Who sings that song" if we don't.

I've heard of churches getting creative with the CCLI information. Some putting it into the Church bulletin. Some as you say putting it up as end credits of the service. As long as you are making the CCLI information available i'm sure you would be able to win a legal case.

crt

[[Admin] osborn4]

My problem with "last slide" is how do you know which is the last slide?

If the WL tags the song with the first coupla line of the first verse in practive, I'd set something up for that.

But if he skips that in during worship and goes right into the next song from the chorus, then you've missed it.

[KeckCreative]

I look at artist/publisher/copyright info at the end of the song as a benefit to the congregation (in addition to the licensing requirement). There are times people hear a song for the first time and want to know what the title and artist info so they can find a copy of the recording.

We originally had it as credits running at the end of service, but it was really more of a hassle to put together the credits than to just use the data MediaShout stores in it song library and at a built in title slide to song sequence. I formated the title slide, save it to a song template and now easy to pop it into the song sequence. I now put the info at the end of the song similar to what you use to see with MTV music video tag (when MTV played music videos --- it should be called RTV as there seems to be more reality shows than music videos, but I digress). It's in the lower left corner. It's big enough to see but smaller than size of lyric text so that it's not overtly obtrusive.

There's generally plenty of time to show it between the transition from one song to the next. The pastor had asked about going back to running end credits. I told him, I would but after explaining it's a bit gray on whether or not that complies with CCLI licensing requirement and that it adds some unnecessary work in creating new slides each week (I'm a volunteer creative team of one), he said leave it was fine to the end of the song. So, that's where it is today.

[andrewc2]

Originally Posted by osborn4

My problem with "last slide" is how do you know which is the last slide?

If the WL tags the song with the first coupla line of the first verse in practive, I'd set something up for that.

But if he skips that in during worship and goes right into the next song from the chorus, then you've missed it.

In my church the song layout is decided ahead of time and they stick to it. I can't imagine having to deal with a worship team that is unpredictable like that.