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Old Friday, September 7th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Tim Eason - ChurchMedia.net Community Founder 1999-2008
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I don't have alot of time to respond to everyone's posts. But thank you for your insights! I ended buying one the new samsung 19inch widescreens...I don't have the model number off the top of my head! It is really nice though!
Cool! See... we wasted all that effort on technicalities, when Diversecity106 just needed to see what was out there with his own eyes and make a choice (and I'm sure budget played a part).

Congrats and enjoy!
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 09:18 AM
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-- it's my opinion that a 16:9 display (or two) would be the best option because it's the direction that the whole world is moving toward and you will need to see your work in the world standard.

Not only that, but i personally think that a 16:9 screen is more comfortable to look at then a 4:3 screen! Think about it, our eyes are side by side, not top over bottom! I have both kinds of screens and it's hard to explain but it's just a whole lot more comfortable to look at a widescreen than at a 4:3.


@ diverscity, I'm glad you got the samsung, they are really some nice monitors! Hi-five
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 09:45 AM
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the fact that movies have been filmed in 16:9 for decades,
Ok, Ok, I know this is off subject, but much to my surprise after purchasing a new widescreen 16:9 TV was to find that a lot of movies are filmed in wider then 16:9 aspect ratio. (2.35:1 or something like that.) Which, even on a widescreen TV creates black bars above/below the image. So when will they come out with "Even wider screen" TVs?
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 09:51 AM
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Ok, Ok, I know this is off subject, but much to my surprise after purchasing a new widescreen 16:9 TV was to find that a lot of movies are filmed in wider then 16:9 aspect ratio. (2.35:1 or something like that.) Which, even on a widescreen TV creates black bars above/below the image. So when will they come out with "Even wider screen" TVs?
I believe it's 21:9, in fact widescreen tv's weren't origanallly created for movies. They were for the broadcast standard to be!
Movies have been filmed really wide for a while.
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 09:57 AM
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Sigh, editing video is not the same thing as viewing video.

I'll restate my position -

Resolution is what matters for computer monitors - shape doesn't matter.

I really don't care what aspect my monitors are as long as they have enough pixels. I love high resolution monitors of any aspect ratio. I was simply reacting to some of the things that were said like -
  • WS provides more real estate
  • WS lets you have a longer horizontal time line
These are simply not true. There are currently no 17" LCDs that run natively at 1600x1200 so making that comparison isn't valid. It's also obvious that bigger is better. I have made a direct side by side comparison of a 22" WS (at 1680x1050) against a 21" 4:3 (at 1600x1200) and guess what - they are so similar that it's hard to tell the difference. Do I like bigger? Of course, within reason. I'd love to have a couple of those 30" monitors that run at 2560 x 1600. I could care less about their shape, it's their resolution that makes my eyes glaze over. There are a lot of WS LCDs now available, but I just checked on NewEgg. They have less WS monitors available than non-WS, not by much, but it's still less (they provide real numbers).
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Back to the original question -- again. If you are editing video -- be you a media pro, a consumer or in the corporate world -- it's my opinion that a 16:9 display (or two) would be the best option because it's the direction that the whole world is moving toward and you will need to see your work in the world standard.
The question is about EDITING not VIEWING. There is nothing in any editor that I've ever used that really needs a WS aspect ratio except for preview windows and these are usually tiny. I currently use two 4:3 displays for editing and a separate 4:3 TV monitor for previews. I'm sure the TV monitor will be replaced with a WS TV when I start editing HD video, but my NLE won't need to change and neither will my computer monitors. I completely agree that I will need to see my work in it's native aspect ratio, but that still isn't editing. There is no need to run an NLE on the same aspect screen as the video you are editing. I think the general public will eventually purchase more WS computer monitors as PCs be more accepted as media hubs. Lot's of people will be watching video on their PC monitors and using their PCs on their TV monitors. It makes loads of sense to match aspect ratios in those cases. I do think a convergence will happen eventually and I'll make a prediction that over the long run, aspect ratio will matter very little.

For the record - I'm very glad you got a WS high resolution display. The one I bought is much loved. You'll soon learn that you can't live without all of those extra pixels.




Best regards,
PCH


PS - HD will NEVER be mandated by the law. Digital broadcasting will be mandated, but the two aren't necessarily related.

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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 11:18 AM
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Ok, Ok, I know this is off subject, but much to my surprise after purchasing a new widescreen 16:9 TV was to find that a lot of movies are filmed in wider then 16:9 aspect ratio. (2.35:1 or something like that.) Which, even on a widescreen TV creates black bars above/below the image. So when will they come out with "Even wider screen" TVs?
The TVs for sale are the standard aspect ratio for broadcasting. TV shows (like Alias, Firefly, ST Enterprise, etc.) don't show the black bars on a WS. Soon most everything broadcasted will be in that format. As far as movies -- a lot of producers/directors like to use the wider format -- especially for blockbuster-type films. In general, the movie industry has been kind of slow to adopt new technologies when it comes to the raw footage. It's hard to blame them because film looks so good -- and the big names have been using film for so long. I think as the digital technology improves and mimics film well enough (some say that it already does) -- and as movie theaters move away from film projectors to digital projectors/digital media -- more movies will be shot in the standard TV aspect ratio. This is all just speculation on my part, but I'm kind of a "media prophet" sometimes . As for movies that were already made in a wider format, you can have the consolation of knowing that the black bars are at least not as big as on a 4:3 screen. Some TVs have a zoom feature that will cut out those bars. You'll lose some of the picture on the left and right, but if the bars really bug you it might be worth it.

@PHugger -- This kind of reminds me of some of the technical debates we've had in the past at CMN. Some of the arguments presented are based on semantics, opinion and preference. I'll only clarify one of my statements. When editing video it really is handy to be able to watch your work on the same monitor -- in the same aspect ratio -- full-screen. I hope the rest of my statements are clear and understandable from my point of view.

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In situations where there is a debate that doesn't seem to end, gets off-topic or it's obvious that parties are not going to agree -- I'd like to remind everyone at CMN that the very best thing to do in that situation is to state your opinion and then leave it alone. This isn't the first time I've said this, so no one is being singled out. Just to show that I practice what I preach, I've said everything I want to say on the matter of 16:9 vs 4:3.

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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 11:37 AM
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Just to show that I practice what I preach, I've said everything I want to say on the matter of 16:9 vs 4:3.
If it clears anything up, I have said everything I wanted to say too
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 01:16 PM
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Some of the arguments presented are based on semantics, opinion and preference.
That's fine and one would be stupid to argue over those.......

'I like blue best'
'No red is much better'

Some of the things that were said are simply not true.

'Red is bigger and can go faster than blue can'

This is what I tried to point out and, as gently as I'm capable of, to correct. What would you suggest as a response when someone asks a question and people give answers (stated as facts) that are provably wrong?

Perhaps it would be best if I just said nothing and not wasted anyone's time on technicalities.
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 01:28 PM
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That's fine and one would be stupid to argue over those.......

'I like blue best'
'No red is much better'

Some of the things that were said are simply not true.

'Red is bigger and can go faster than blue can'

This is what I tried to point out and, as gently as I'm capable of, to correct. What would you suggest as a response when someone asks a question and people give answers (stated as facts) that are provably wrong?

Perhaps it would be best if I just said nothing.
That's not the answer. I think you clearly corrected any misunderstandings anyone may have had about the resolution issue -- but you did it a couple of posts ago. When someone has some concrete information the temptation is to keep re-iterating it. IMO, the real problem is that the parties may actually be talking about two different things and they just can't see it. This is just the nature of non-verbal communication in a forum and it can go on and on unless someone (like an Admin or Director) says, "Okay, I think we've said all there is to say." Unfortunately I always seem to be the bad guy. I don't have as much latitude to get into deep discussions because when I call them off I'm accused of doing it because "Tim can never be wrong". This isn't the case.

I'll be looking forward to when CMN turns into a video message forum (which isn't as far out as you might think).
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 01:46 PM
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I'll be looking forward to when CMN turns into a video message forum (which isn't as far out as you might think).
You mean like, webcams? Sounds cool!
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Old Saturday, September 8th, 2007, 03:10 PM
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I am only able to have 1 19" Widescreen monitor. But my dream would be to have 2 22" Widescreen monitors (or 3 so I can keep an internet window open for CMN and creative cow haha
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