Approved hosts for CCLI Streaming/Podcast license

[adessmith]

Ok, we've been using blip.tv to broadcast our sermons, and have the player embedded on our website. We want to aqquire a license which allows us to post the entire service online, including music.

In the terms for CCLI Streaming and Podcasting it says something about using approved hosts and/or streaming directly from your website1.2Clarification of the Licensed Rights1.2.1 Approved Website is either:1.2.1.1a single proprietary website which the Church considers to be its primary, home website, i.e. it is used by the Church for the purpose of communicating to Church members; or1.2.1.2a streaming service that is used by the Church for the purpose of streaming its Church Service.
1.2Clarification of the Licensed Rights
1.2.1 Approved Website is either:1.2.1.1a single proprietary website which the Church considers to be its primary, home website, i.e. it is used by the Church for the purpose of communicating to Church members; or1.2.1.2a streaming service that is used by the Church for the purpose of streaming its Church Service.

I hope to be able to continue using blip.tv, because I like the player. It's easy to upload, and it does the itunes thing for us. Plus it is CHEAP!

It looks like the other alternatives are around $99 a month or more.

Here is the section:
1.1 Definitions
1.1.1 Podcasting – The non-exclusive right for the Church to Podcast, free of charge, from Approved Websites, in audio and/or video form, Songs performed in Church Services.
1.1.2 Streaming – The non-exclusive right for the Church to Stream, free of charge, from Approved Websites, in audio and/or video form, Songs performed in Church Services.
1.2 Clarification of the Licensed Rights
1.2.1 Approved Website is either:
1.2.1.1 a single proprietary website which the Church considers to be its primary, home website, i.e. it is used by the Church for the purpose of communicating to Church members; or
1.2.1.2 a streaming service that is used by the Church for the purpose of streaming its Church Service.

[cmchamp]

Approved website in this instance "might" mean the website that is registered with CCLI, and that any other location, such as YouTube, GodTube, FaceBook, etc., might be outside the user agreement language.

Just a thought. What is indicated in the definitions section of the language?

[adessmith]

This is where I found the terms.
http://streaming.ccli.com/learn-more/terms/

I'm thinking we may get more detailed terms when signing up.

[adessmith]

Signed up this week, still waiting to get all the info.
(orders take 1 or 2 days to fully process)

However, I noticed something else on the website.
In the "How to use your license" section, it gives examples where the streaming license is beneficial. One of the examples is as follows:

Youth Services

Kids share everything digitally. So when videos of your youth services—including the music—show up online, you can relax…knowing that the CCLI Streaming and Podcast license provides the permission to webcast the latest worship music.

This seems to imply that sharing on social network sites and sites like youtube would be covered under this license... If recordings of services just "show up online" wouldnt you think youtube would be the most likely medium?

[Gracetech]

Seems like last time i researched this they allowed just about any provider host your media as long as it was not available in a download form. Not saying you can't download just about everything out there but "to the best of your ability" making it hard to download.

I'll take a gander at our license since i'm home sick today.

crt

[adessmith]

Chad, I would appreciate any info you can give me.
I purchased the license 3 days ago, and have not received any info back from them aside from an automated email that states that it takes 1 or 2 days for orders to process. Shouldnt I get some sort of license number, and additional info?
I tried emailing them with questions on a couple of occasions, and I never get a response.
I have a ton of questions which are not addressed on the website.
Will this allow us to post previous services which we recorded for archival purposes?
Also, do we have to display copyright info on the video in the same way we do for any photocopies or projection slides?

[adessmith]

Oh, and just for the record.

When I go the the renewal page, it shows the streaming license is active and an experation date of a year from now, with the option to renew. So I know the transaction went through.

[Gracetech]

Sorry it took a while to get back to you i just found out i have Pneumonia so i'm having to make adjustments to my life for the next 7 days.

I found the terms to CCLI on there site and here they are..
http://streaming.ccli.com/learn-more/terms/

You can see that they clearly state what i was trying to say above. The stream can come from any provider as long as it is directly connected to your website. The stream must be in a non-downloadable form.

crt

BTW: this is for their separate Podcasting and Streaming Licenses.

[adessmith]

I had previously read this, but it doesnt exactly present itself as clearly as you suggest (In my opinion)
First, it is presented as "TERMS", however, it only lists definitions, reserved rights, fees, termination, etc... it basically defines words used, and tells you what you CANT do, it never states what you CAN do.
There IS a section titled "Clarification of the Licensed Rights" which you would assume would "clarify the licensed rights" (understandibly)... however this section only provides more definitions. Am I missing something?

The terms define an "Approved website" as:

A) a single proprietary website which the Church considers to be its primary, home website, i.e. it is used by the Church for the purpose of communicating to Church members; or

B) a streaming service that is used by the Church for the purpose of streaming its Church Service.

As you read this you find that the first definition (A) is well defined. Obviously they are talking about your church website.
The issue here is with the second definition (B). The term "used by the Church" is fairly ambiguous. This seems to imply any streaming service you opt to use.

Also, can you please point out the section that states it has to be "directly connected" to your website? I have read over this multiple times, and I'm not seeing it... I must be overlooking it. I'm not sure what you mean by "directly connected"...
I have determined the way we use blip.tv to host our videos (with an embeded player on our website) should be in compliance.
However, we distribute on itunes (free of course), which is the most common way to podcast. I am trying to determine if we need to remove our podcast from itunes. We have a link to our itunes page on our website. Does this count as "directly connected'?

Also where does it state that the stream must be in a non-downloadable form? The definition of "Podcasting" they provide seems to state otherwise.
It references the distribution of files, and subscription to RSS feeds to receive future podcast files.

In wikipedia's definition of RSS it states the following:
"The RSS reader checks the user's subscribed feeds regularly for new work, downloads any updates that it finds..."

It seems that podcasting, by nature, involves the downloading of files.
After all, podcasting was originally intended to automate the download and transfer of audio files onto an ipod.
So if you provide streaming video, it should not be downloadable... however, you can provide a downloadable file, but it is classified as a "podcast"? Either way, its covered under the license (Streaming and Podcast license)...???

It just seems that there is some info missing in the terms here.