Dante my16-aud vs Aviom on M7CL

[jbusby825]

We currently have a Yamaha M7CL-48 which has 3 slots. 2 slots are being used for 1 AES/EBU 8ch to feed our FOH and 2 an Aviom A16D-PRO card to feed our Aviom system. We send 16 channels via the DO to the aviom card.

We are wanting to start doing some live recording, but will need somewhere around 26 channels for recording. I do not know of a way to send a DO to multiple slots within the M7CL. Is this even possible?

If not what is the most cost efficient, ok, cheapest way to do this? We will be sending it to an iMac possibly running either Reaper or Cubase. We had been looking at the Dante card, but can't figure a way around the DO issue.

Thank you for your help!

[weaverra]

Yes, I believe you can send direct out to the multiple slots. I use the Dante and it works wonders! One thing you need to make certain is that you have a good hot input signal to get the best recording. The head amps are still analog and need to be run hot. I am trying to resolve this issue with our board now. I've tested this and verified that it does indeed reduce the noise dramatically on your recordings. There is misinformation out there regarding this issue with digital mixers.

[jbusby825]

are you running on a M7 as well? if so how to you have the direct outs routed to multiple slots?

[weaverra]

Originally Posted by jbusby825

are you running on a M7 as well? if so how to you have the direct outs routed to multiple slots?

Yes, you can set it up just like the other slots are set up. Select the slot under the direct out option and then the input channel you would like to output (even one's outputted to another slot.

[jbusby825]

interesting...i'll have to look at that tonight when i'm at the church...

i could've sworn when i tried that it just changed it to the new slot and unchecked the other slot...

so i should be able to send input 16 via the direct out to slot 2-5 AND slot 3-5 at the same time? I'll check tonight...thanks!

[bobbycito]

i would make sure you are set on the direct out and not insert point also for 26 channels of recording what was the plan as the dante card will only support 16. if you are using an interface that will take in AES/EBU you could look at upgrading your AES card to an my16-aes instead of an MY8-AES Also remeber when you are recording in digital to ensure you have proper sync (word clock) to all devices (ie: console master and all other devices set to sync to it

as to the direct outs patch to multiple outputs i just tried in the latest studio manager and ir worked fine.
what firmware are you running on the console current version is 3.55
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global...lv3_frm355.jsp

[jbusby825]

alright, i checked and yes it was no problem sending one input via 2 different direct outs...

so now my challenge is how to get another 16 channels...we have one open slot so i was thinking we would put the dante card in there for the first 16...what are my options to get another 16 but not lose the aviom ability?

The AES/EBU 8ch card is feeding our FOH via DSP. Being that each slot will only feed a maximum of 16 channels no matter what card you get, i'm assuming i have no option for getting 32 channels of recording...any suggestions?

Thanks!

[bobbycito]

if you would like to record 32 channels you could use the following

Slot 1: MY16AE = 8 channels PA feed and 8 channels for record
Slot 2 : feeding Aviom system = extract the audio from aviom (http://www.aviom.com/Aviom-Products-...-Output-Module) this will be an analog output or (http://whirlwindusa.com/catalog/digi...hange-platform) i do not know the cost of this unit

Slot 3: Dante card or any other 16 channel card to feed your recorders

Omni Outs: you do not state what the 16 omni outs are being used for on the desk (this would provide 16 line level outs)

you would need to also look at an interface to get AES and/or Analog into the IMAC along with the dante audio

[jbusby825]

you would need to also look at an interface to get AES and/or Analog into the IMAC along with the dante audio

can you give me some examples of an interface to get AES into the iMac?

Also, i do have several Omni Outs available and we have 2 firepods from several years ago (i forgot about those). we could use those for some items and use the digital for the majority.

Thanks!

[buswheel]

Alternatively you could stick in two dante cards and then plug the network into something like the Whirlwind PXP.

[bobbycito]

some options could be
http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=1 with the fire wire option in mode 4 will give you 16 AES lines and 16 Analog

Also what imac are you using does it have a thunderbolt port

using the PXP box with a (2) Dante cards in the Console feeding the Imac and the PXP which could convert to aviom

using the Imac limits i/o if you have thinderbolt you could waiot until products like this are shipping and gain some pci e slots http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=1

[ronreitz]

Originally Posted by jbusby825

....so now my challenge is how to get another 16 channels...we have one open slot so i was thinking we would put the dante card in there for the first 16...what are my options to get another 16 but not lose the aviom ability?

The AES/EBU 8ch card is feeding our FOH via DSP. i'm assuming i have no option for getting 32 channels of recording...any suggestions?

as has been suggested- dumping the Aviom card, adding a second Dante card, and utilizing the PXP to convert to A-Net is the only option if you are able to share record and monitor feeds from the same output sources.

my preference, if I could make 24 record feeds work for now, would be to dump the 8ch AES card, keep the Aviom card, then use a Focusrite RedNet 3 in front of your system processor. Dante goes to the RedNet 3, and the RedNet 3 converts to AES/EBU which feeds your FOH DSP processor.

The RedNet line is still a month or so away from shipping, but at a $1500ish street price it would place you in a more flexible position down the road to take advantage of where things are heading. A PXP is more expensive, and is a one trick pony.

Sooner or later someone will release something less expensive than the PXP for Dante > A-Net conversion (you'd think Aviom would think that's a worthwhile product, but feedback from my discussions with them so far has been they don't seem too interested). When Dante based personal monitor mixers show up, you can dump the Aviom card. replace it with a third Dante card and have a full 48x48 Dante network.

Ron Reitz
Lakewood Productions