Dante-MY16-AUD stories?

[Audinate Tech]

ChurchMedia folks,

I am curious to hear from any of you who might be using the Dante-MY16-AUD interface card with Yamaha consoles in your installations.

The Dante-MY16-AUD is sold through Yamaha with our Dante Virtual Soundcard in order to form a simple and complete recording solution, but Dante systems are now in wide use for a variety of purposes and installations - especially large touring shows.

How are you using Dante? Has it changed things for you at your churches? Are you using it to record services? What other uses have you found?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[MixMinisterMike]

I'm interested in a Dante, but there are two problems:

-It seems almost impossible to find a reseller. BSW seems to the be only one and they do not have it in stock.

-The licensing is very unfriendly. We would like to use multiple laptops depending on which member happens to be working a particular week. By tying a license to the driver (aren't we buying the hardware primarily?) and charging a ridiculous $180 per additional driver install you are taking away the ability for our church to use this product. Even Pro Tools is not tied to a particular install anymore. At the very least an iLok-based solution would be acceptable, but still tying a license to the driver seems very customer-hostile. Are you seriously worried about people pirating the *driver*?

[tpichler]

We are looking into the Dante card in order to facilitate doing 16 channel virtual sound checks on the LS9. My friend has one for is 01V and has actually been booking multi track recording gigs with it.

I think the pricing is different but not unfriendly. When you see a PC recording 16 channels of inputs and only using 10% CPU with ROCK solid dependability you gotta take out your wallet for those software engineers. They nailed this one. (No I am not connected with Dante in any way)

[STEALMYBUCKS]

My Dante card is not being recognized by Dante Controller, I posted a new thread on this.

[Audinate Tech]

Originally Posted by MixMinisterMike

I'm interested in a Dante, but there are two problems:

-It seems almost impossible to find a reseller. BSW seems to the be only one and they do not have it in stock.

-The licensing is very unfriendly. We would like to use multiple laptops depending on which member happens to be working a particular week. By tying a license to the driver (aren't we buying the hardware primarily?) and charging a ridiculous $180 per additional driver install you are taking away the ability for our church to use this product. Even Pro Tools is not tied to a particular install anymore. At the very least an iLok-based solution would be acceptable, but still tying a license to the driver seems very customer-hostile. Are you seriously worried about people pirating the *driver*?

Contact Yamaha about resellers - they sell the product through their channels. We sell to Yamaha, and they've been extraordinarily responsive.

We will take your comments about the licensing under consideration. This has been a topic for us as well.

I should add that the Dante Virtual Soundcard is not quite a "driver", because it works with ALL Dante-enabled devices and not just the Dante-MY16-AUD; it allows a computer to participate in large audio networks and systems. Dante Virtual Soundcard is actually a fairly complex bit of work.

[Audinate Tech]

Originally Posted by STEALMYBUCKS

My Dante card is not being recognized by Dante Controller, I posted a new thread on this.

You should contact us through and we'll be happy to help you.

This issue is easily resolved, and usually occurs in Windows systems running additional non-Microsoft firewalls that are blocking ports used by Dante Controller. There can be other configuration issues, but that's the big one.

[STEALMYBUCKS]

We are still in the process of working out the network issues. Audinate support is awesome, they responded within 12 hours of me sending in a support ticket, very fast in my opinion.

[STEALMYBUCKS]

@ Audinate tech. Figured out the issue, Dante -64 bit was not configuring Windows 7 64-bit firewall properly, turned off the firewall and it works great now. I have to say it is awesome that you are taking the time to be on these forums, it is really appreciated. Also, a quick FYI, Reaper-64 does not recognize VSC-64, gives an ASIO driver error, I had to install Reaper 32 bit.

Also, do you know of a way to have two ASIO devices running at the same time in Reaper? I tried ASIO4ALL, but it did not recognize DVS. This isn't a huge issue, it just would be nice to be able to monitor what is being recorded.

Thanks for all you do, sorry this is on the Dante-MY16-AUD Stories thread. I will add a story at some point when I do more with my Dante card.

[Audinate Tech]

Originally Posted by STEALMYBUCKS

@ Audinate tech. Figured out the issue, Dante -64 bit was not configuring Windows 7 64-bit firewall properly, turned off the firewall and it works great now. I have to say it is awesome that you are taking the time to be on these forums, it is really appreciated. Also, a quick FYI, Reaper-64 does not recognize VSC-64, gives an ASIO driver error, I had to install Reaper 32 bit.

Also, do you know of a way to have two ASIO devices running at the same time in Reaper? I tried ASIO4ALL, but it did not recognize DVS. This isn't a huge issue, it just would be nice to be able to monitor what is being recorded.

Thanks for all you do, sorry this is on the Dante-MY16-AUD Stories thread. I will add a story at some point when I do more with my Dante card.

Thanks for the feedback about Windows 7 firewalls - we'll have to double check that one. It's supposed to be automatic.

And thank you for your nice comments about us. We try.

The Reaper 64-bit issue is known. It really has to do with the fact that ASIO is not a Microsoft-supported standard - it is a nice workaround developed by Steinberg to overcome performance issues with the native Windows audio support. As such, ASIO drivers and applications are implemented in a variety of ways that result in some unpredictable behavior.

We try to write Dante Virtual Soundcard to be as close as possible to Steinberg's published methods, but some applications come knocking on ASIO's door in peculiar ways, Reaper 64-bit among them. It asks for ASIO in a way that Dante Virtual Soundcard doesn't understand.

We are working on this and other issues, of course.

ASIO4ALL works in the wrong direction. That product is supposed to make ASIO applications able to communicate with devices that support WDM (Microsoft) drivers, and so it acts as a bridge between ASIO and WDM. Since Dante Virtual Soundcard is already ASIO, it doesn't help.

In general, ASIO does not permit more than one application at a time to communicate. The reason is that ASIO bypasses the operating system and allows applications to communicate directly with a device. It has no ability to juggle multiple applications like the operating system does.

For the curious, there is no ASIO on Mac OSX. There we use Core Audio like everyone else, and because that is an Apple-controlled standard it pretty much works all the time. And because it is moderated by the operating system, you can connect many applications to many audio devices at once.

I hope this is helpful to members of this forum.

[tpichler]

Very helpful, thanks for the details.

[STEALMYBUCKS]

Very helpful, now I want a Mac!

[Craigster]

Originally Posted by Audinate Tech

ChurchMedia folks,

I am curious to hear from any of you who might be using the Dante-MY16-AUD interface card with Yamaha consoles in your installations.

I have just discovered this option tonight! We have previously purchased a 16-channel ADAT card for one slot in our M7CL and have been planning to grab another. I have been researching options for how to get 32-channels of ADAT into our PC. I found out yesterday that 32-channel ADAT interface units by Presonus and MAudio have recently been discontinued. So, I have been looking at higher end RME units (like their RayDAT)...

So, it is quite interesting to find this solution.

I do have a question, though, about monitoring. It's the same limitation I see with the RME RayDAT that simply transfers the files to the computer. (We are recording to PC via Samplitude, and then plan to port the files via external HDD to our Samplitude Pro studio on campus.) But, it's usually important to be able to audibly monitor a multitrack recording (and ideally even to solo listen to various channels along the way). With any hardware unit (like the RME Fireface 800 that I use for studio recording) you normally have a headphone output which can then assign software channels for listening (via TotalMix in the RME world).

In the PC world where ASIO only allows one hardware driver to operate at a time, how is real-time audio monitoring managed?

Can I presume that Macs can more easily accomplish this? (i.e. recording in via Dante, and listening out via Mac's built-in audio headphone out)?

Thanks, Craig