help with sound system

[irbin]

hi everyone ....am new in this forum and is my first time posting,,,,, thanks because i have browsed in some of the threads and have found lot of answers to questions i had in my mind, thanks to all you that take you valuable time to reply ,instruct and help others like me that dont know much about this field.

our church just purchase a building it was a catholic church(modern inside) and we spent almost everything to adquire it now we need to probably raise more funds for sound because it might be needed.

here are the info
91 long
35 wide
20 height
floor is capert and the stage is carpet too
1 lead singer 2 backup singer every sunday
1keyboard, 1 acoustic guitar drums( we have a alesis dm10 electronic brand new never used it was donated to us so we will like to use it in the new building).
services are comtemporary we are spanish pentecostal church so very intense service,pastor is loud in the good side.
ok now i have some equipment that was ppurchased last year( we where not planning on movig at that time)
here it is
4 EV ELX115 non power
2 QSC GX5 power amps
1 ALLEN AND HEALTH ZED 22
I WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS EQUIP TO SAVE SOME MONEY BUT I DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE ENOUGH FOR THE PLACE... ANY INPUT WILL BE REALLY APRECIATED.....GOD BLESS. THE PICS FOR THE BUILDING AND A HAND DRAWING IS INCLUDED

[pdc]

Contact a successful contractor who has references with churches of similar type in your area. The speakers you have will certainly make noise in that room. The question is, are you concerned about the quality of the sound and aesthetic? Those speakers are designed to throw a good 30-35' at full bandwidth and then things fall apart. They need to be stand mounted, which may not work for you.

[cmchamp]

As pdc indicated, it's doubtful that these are going to adequate for the room, especially intelligibility (understanding) in the rear 2/3 of the room.
Another concern, you don't mention you have any EQ or speaker processing, which will make it even more difficult to achieve proper voicing of the system for the room.
What about monitors? Were 2 of the EV's going to be used as floor monitors, and two as mains?
C.

[irbin]

2 monitors 2 mains......... also we have 2 18 inch subs that we want to use and for processing we have a dbx driverack what you guys think on that equip..

[irbin]

any sugggestions we have a very tight budget and we want it incorporate some of what we have thanks

[pdc]

You don't have the right speakers for that room and they cannot be placed where they need to be placed. If you have a very tight budget, it does not matter what we think. It sounds like you need someone on-site to help you make the most of it.

It is a small church. Don't worry about it. If someone gets bent out of shape, given the circumstances, let them belly up for new gear. Until then, keep the seating area restricted to the front 50" of the room. If you are up-front with people, setting their expectations for them, you will have less complaints coming your way. Just tell them that they are now in a building that was never designed for a loud service with a PA. You are using a bunch of things for an unintended purpose, and things will be janky for a while, until you can address the acoustics and sound system properly.

The DriverackPA will only give you processing for the mains and subs, but not the monitors. It does not have discrete assignment and processing for the two inputs. The 260 does, hence the difference in price. You will need some EQ for your monitors. Whatever you do, don't rely on the Driverack to set the EQ in Wizard mode, especially if you do not know what you are doing. You will have blown speakers in no time.

Find a local dealer with a good tech. Call some other churches with tech people on the payroll. Get them to consider it ministry to help you set up your room. You are not going to get a reply that makes your system scream. You need someone to be there in person.

[Frank DeWitt]

There appears to be a speaker in the picture mounted front and center. If so, what is it? What other equipment came with the building?

Frank

[cmchamp]

Frank
That looks like an old JBL or Altec-Lansing sectoral horn. Probably good for 500Hz and up used for speech reinforcement.

I agree with pdc, you'll have to make due with what you've got till the proper speakers can be purchased for that room.

[Frank DeWitt]

Originally Posted by cmchamp

Frank
That looks like an old JBL or Altec-Lansing sectoral horn. Probably good for 500Hz and up used for speech reinforcement.

I agree with pdc, you'll have to make due with what you've got till the proper speakers can be purchased for that room.

That's what I figured. If it has a tube amp feeding it then there is some Ebay money for a new speaker fund.

Also, look around for the big old Sure or EV mic that went with it. Some of that stuff is very collectable,

Frank

[Brad Weber]

Having no budget simply does not usually equate with getting good sound for an existing space of that size with hard parallel side walls, a reflective convex ceiling and a balcony with a flat front. Adding to that are factors such as a loud pastor and wanting to use electronic drums, which means the sound system having to provide full range reproduction for the drums. That is not trying to be discouraging but rather reinforcing what has already been said, you may simply have to use what you have and live with any limitations or constraints until you can come up with the funds for a proper system that is designed specifically to serve your space and application.

You may still have some aspects to initially address such as where you put the mixer and amplifiers and how you get signals to and from them, but again, a proper, long term solution for such aspects may be beyond your current financial resources and developing long term solutions would likely require a more detailed survey of the physical space.

[irbin]

Thanks guys for all your inputs ........got in touch with a company yesterday afternoon they work here in our state and they only 2 hours away and they will do a computer model and other things and that way we will know what equip will be necesary for the place. With that them we will build an av fund ....but thanks to all of you...Blessings

[SterlingAug]

Originally Posted by irbin

Thanks guys for all your inputs ........got in touch with a company yesterday afternoon they work here in our state and they only 2 hours away and they will do a computer model and other things and that way we will know what equip will be necesary for the place. With that them we will build an av fund ....but thanks to all of you...Blessings

That is a great idea. My church contracts with a local sound company that works for concerts all around the Philadelphia, PA and New York area. Nothing gets changed or installed without their review to make sure it will work within our budget and limitations.